Not Even GOD himself

Not Even GOD himself

Sunday, November 16, 2008

Re: Fwd: [Corpus Christi Caller Times] Corpus Christi police one of the worst in the s...

Very Insightful input!

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Gordon Haley <gordondeanhaley@yahoo.com> wrote:

This was my posting that didn't show:

 

 

Even though this situation lends itself to many variables which are interpretable and may side on either the student or the CCPD office, I would like to bring up a few points which have not been addressed on prior postings.

 

1)      Did the officer utilize CCPD issued equipment which require disposable charge cartridge replacements?

2)      If so, did the CCPD pay for the replacement cartridge on the Taser gun that was used while the "Off Duty" Policeman was "moonlighting"?

3)      What does the Charter School Board Policy state as far as corporal and/or physical punishment on students by school faculty?

4)      Did we not do away with "shock therapy" in prior historical events namely Adolph Hitler and his experimentations with humans?

5)      Before the student was provoked, was the student causing harm to himself or anyone else?

6)      As some have stated that there were witnesses, I would pose the question why were the witnesses not given the "taser treatment" to redirect them out of the same area?

7)      As a part time employ, the CCPD on site should have to abide by all educational rules and regulations. If a CCPD officer is not informed or properly trained in the Texas State Board of Educators guidelines, then he/she should not even be on a School Campus.

8)      It was mentioned that the CCPD was dispatched, did the officer make a special trip to the school or was the officer in the school already? Who dispatched the officer?

9)      Where is the surveillance video to protect the Students/Faculty?

10)  As an educator, I am really taken back by the fact that School District Employees are mandated to not so much as even touch a student, but a part- time contract security employee can determine at will to taser a student who doesn't bow down before him. Is this the United States of America? 

11)  Was the officer truly threatened or was he/she wanting to get the taser use up as this was a current issue in the news last week?

12)  Has the Charter School notified in writing to the students and the parents of the students attending that charter school that the Tasers are permitted on campus and the use of Tasers are permitted under the Charter Schools Board policy as a use of force and under what conditions that use of force is appropriate?

13)  Has a taser ever been used in CCISD campus on a minor student? Why or why not?Who was Rodney Kings Lawyer?

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The lack of statistical comparison notwithstanding, Corpus Christi police say their excessive force complaints are few.

Christopher Gale, a San Antonio lawyer known throughout the state for representing people with excessive force complaints, says otherwise. He claims it's one of the worst in the state for excessive force complaints.

"It's not just a couple of bad seeds. It's a pervasive attitude that you can get away with it, where they feel like they're above it and right now I think they are," Gale said. "I probably get three calls a day regarding complaints about CCPD."

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Saturday, November 15, 2008

He is a great kid with love and happiness in his heart

The student at the center of this discussion is one of our most conscientious creative and intelligent young adults. He is a hard worker. He gets along with all of us. To say he gets along does not mean he goes along with standardized curriculum, standardized test or everyday norms. He is a great kid with love and happiness in his heart. He is outspoken and too often uses profanity but it is not intended as to disrespect. He is a very respectful kid but he also gives as he receives. Now, to the incident. The boy was in a crowded area and he was eating his bag of chips. With his mind some other place in thought he began pacing back and forth in an area technically off limits but not a big deal as long as it was just one or two students. Redirection is the answer and the Officer did redirect the student in his own rudimentary way. In my opinion it was antagonistic. He said, " what part of do not enter do you not understand?" however without expecting an answer (at least a respectful answer) he heard the student's voice and either he didnt understand or already had his mind set. The Student answered with a mouthful of chips he said, "I understand" and headed back to the designated area. As the Officer displaced his frustration snapped, "I'm tired of your sh&t" and aggressively approached the young man. The boy was not intimidated or at least did not show it. The officer responded with an angry tone informing the student he was going to receive a citation and the student ask him "for what?" "what did I do". The officer would have none of it as his anger ascended he asked the student for his name and the student ask again "what did I do", I am not going to give you my name (because) you wont tell me why you are giving me a ticket. The Officer then asked him if he wanted to go to jail and the officer said do you wanna get tased and grabbed the student (and keep in mind in the education world we are not allowed to put our hands on a student for purposes of physical control) the officer grabbed the student and with great force began to guide the students body towards the wall as if to slam him against the wall. The student countered the Officers aggression as the Officer attempted to grab the student's hand he snatched it back as if a snake had bit him. The student separated from the officer with movements of squirming and swift arm movements protecting himself from the officer's aggression. The student said "Get off of me fool" and the officer said "did you just call me a fool?" as he drew his taser. The student still chewing his chips raised up his hands in surrender (pax) and pleaded with the officer to go down and speak with the Principal. Except the student was unaware the Principal was unavailable and not on campus. The officer beckoned "did you just call me a fool?" as he drew his taser and fired. One might argue the effects of the taser as harmless and officers even have experienced the taser warm fuzzies themselves but I submit to them have they experienced the prolonged shock of the taser. Have they had the seizure and soiled themselves? This is in my eyes and in the eyes of many who witnessed it the prime example of police brutality. The chaos responded to the every move of pain or uncomfortableness the student exhibited. Then another Officer applied pepper spray to the student under his eyes while he was in the backseat of the cruiser and threatened to spray him if he made any movement at all. The adults who work at Cesar Chavez Charter Academy are not in a position to stop the wrongful acts but we can tell the truth when asked. I understand the FBI will be conducting an investigation. When this is over I believe we will see the Officer facing criminal charges. This publication must dig deeper than one facet.

Thursday, November 13, 2008

Witnesses including faculty members dispute the events as reported and tell a different story

There are several details that remain unrevealed and there are inaccuracies in this reporter's story.

The sweatbands do not have 3 inch spikes screws or nails. They are about 3/4 inch wood screws. (Why the need to exaggerate?) As far as classifying them as a weapon; I suppose any item with mass and volume can be employed as a weapon and could injure another if the right sequence of events occur. The sweatbands were worn as a form of expression and the only reason they are mentioned is to excuse the unprofessional acts of a whole group of officers who "moonlight" at the Charter School. The article fails to mention the Food fight / riot that occurred a few weeks ago nor does it mention the fights where the CCPD has been dispatched but even more astonishing is the level of violence that went on during these previous events and the use of tasers to regain control or order. In fact, there were no instances where officers used tasers at this campus although the factor of danger in the previous events was exponentially higher.  

The student has worn these sweatbands for the last year and everyday for the entire school year without 1 complaint from faculty or administration. They were not in violation of the campus dress code and the Principal was in contact with the young man daily.

Since when does it become the Police Officers' duty to govern a student's behavior with a citation. A student who is on campus and enters an area that is "off limits" is disciplined by law enforcement? Where are the educators? Surely we will stop short of issuing citations to students who fail tests or even make wrong answers on their homework? Disruptive Behavior...... lets look at this a little closer. The author cites the an Officer Green who says Officer Mendoza said, "The student was in an area of the school that is off limits to students," We should examine the reason this area was off limits and why is it accessible to the students. The structure is now a makeshift building that used to be a Elementary school built a long time ago. So is it up to code? Probably not. Does it contain asbestos? Probably. If he was the only student in the forbidden area then what students did he disrupt and why would an officer say to him I am tired of your shit and it not be included in the report? Then if there was a legitimate reason for writing the student a citation should the officer not involve a campus administrator, should the officer not explain the reasoning for issuing the citation? These points are mentioned because the student repeatedly asked what the citation was for, what did he do to merit the hostility and to conference with the officer and the Principal. The reason the student refused to provide his name and personal information was because the officer refused to inform the student of the allegations, charges and or violations for which personal information was to be used and if in fact the Officer was tired of his shit then why would he still not know the student's name? So when the student refused to give his name because of the Officer's refusal to inform him of the charge for which the student's name was being required; the officer escalated the situation by threats of going to jail and then grabbing the boy and trying slam him into the wall when the student resisted being slammed into the wall and then reclaiming his personal space by instinctively repelling the officer and telling him to get away leave him alone as the student believed the Officer to be acting unlawfully towards him. The officer remained unthreatened physically escalated (threatened) the situation once again, asking the student if "he wanted to get tased" while drawing out his taser. The student once again pleaded with the officer that it was a big misunderstanding and wanted to go talk to the principal so they could settle the situation? He did not know the Principal was off campus. The student raised his hands as a surrendering gesture ( A PAX) and said lets go talk to the principal as he said those words the Officer fired the taser into his chest and remained holding the button down while the student seizured and soiled himself. It was a prolonged shock and it was out of frustration that the officer aced and not out of a physical threat or endangerment.

Witnesses including faculty members dispute the events as reported and  tell a different story and will testify on the student's behalf.



The FBI will be investigating the incident and all other details will remain out of the media until investigation is complete.

The question to be pondered is if the student was attacking / swinging / aggressive towards the officer, then why was the charge of assaulting an officer not filed? If he was using a weapon then why not the charge of assault with a deadly weapon? Good questions right?  The principal was off campus when the incident occurred. The student was never kicked out of any other district, he was placed there for a more structured and supervised environment. The student was one of the better students at the school. The Officers' conduct as a whole was unprofessional and in fact manufactured the events that occurred on 11/11/2008. The actions and the evidence will come to light as the vindication process moves forward. 

Now lets go to the school and start asking some questions and not take the word of a principal and a short tempered officer both who are trying to cover their a$$e$.

Officer uses Taser on unruly student
Officer says student tried to hit him with homemade weapon

Staff Reports
Wednesday, November 12, 2008

CORPUS CHRISTI — An off-duty Corpus Christi police officer used a Taser on a 16-year-old charter school student Tuesday, after the officer said the student tried to strike him with a homemade weapon.

Capt. Todd Green said Officer David Mendoza, who was working security at Cesar E. Chavez Academy at the time of the incident, was going to cite the student at 11:54 a.m. Tuesday on a disruptive activities charge, a misdemeanor, after the student failed to follow the officer's directions to clear a hallway at the school, 3701 Mueller St. The student was in an area of the school that is off limits to students, Green said.

When the teen wouldn't give Mendoza his name, the officer attempted to arrest him and the teen pulled away, pushed Mendoza and swung at the officer with a black sweatband that had several 3-inch nails and screws in it, Green said.

Green said the teen had been warned in the past by police and school officials not to wear the wristband.

Mendoza used his Taser on the teen, who police said wasn't injured. Mendoza suffered a puncture wound to his right thumb and was given a tetanus shot.

The teen was taken to Nueces County Juvenile Justice Center on suspicion of resisting arrest, having a prohibited weapon and disruptive activities.

Green said police supervisors will conduct a review process within the next few days to determine whether Mendoza was justified in using the Taser in this instance. Such a review is standard whenever an officer uses a Taser on someone, Green said.

Contact Stuart Duncan at 886-3792 or duncans@caller.com

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related links Posted by 711805 on November 12, 2008 at 11:47 a.m.

"When the juvenile would not give the officer his name, the officer attempted to arrest the juvenile..."

Interesting...
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related links Posted by 450666 on November 12, 2008 at 11:47 a.m.

What a life this punk is going to have. Probably will be very short one at that!
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related links Posted by 714505 on November 12, 2008 at 11:52 a.m.

Sounds like he had it coming. What happened to kids being respectful of adults??
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related links Posted by 281033 on November 12, 2008 at 11:53 a.m.

sad times bro.... sad times
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related links Posted by 246926 on November 12, 2008 at 11:54 a.m.

What are these police doing in schools? They are asked to be there by the administration?

Do kids really understand what this means - having a police officer in school? These are not the kindly, avuncular officers of yesteryear. We are putting trained killers in our schools, and the extent of their power is not explained to kids nor understood by the kids or teachers or administrators.

If a kid can be TAZED for being a punky kid and not giving his name fast enough to satisfy a taser-happy cop then we have a situation ripe for a killing.

This just doesn't sound right to me.
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related links Posted by 356013 on November 12, 2008 at 11:58 a.m.

in response to 246926

Did you miss the part about a band with nails, homemade weapon part of this story..
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related links Posted by 702459 on November 12, 2008 at 12:04 p.m.

I'm glad we have police officers in our schools. Good job!!
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related links Posted by 235933 on November 12, 2008 at 12:04 p.m.

They need to bring back the good, old fashioned wooden paddle, and have ALL PARENTS sing-off on allowing teachers or administrators to use it when justified.

I signed a couple in my school days, and I turned out just fine.
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related links Posted by 233514 on November 12, 2008 at 12:06 p.m.

#246926

Are you for real?

I'm still trying to pick my jaw up from the floor. When I read the part about the nails/screws... I'm flabbergasted! Be glad that getting tasered is all he got!

And people wonder why they have police officers in schools... hmm
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related links Posted by 235785 on November 12, 2008 at 12:08 p.m.

in response to 246926

Wow ! Trained killers ? I being a ex cop was never trained to kill . I was trained to protect and uphold the laws of Texas . Did you want the officer to let the kid hit him with a weapon ? The reason kids think they can get away with things like this is becouse of liberal people like you ! And I bet once he or she gets home they will tell there parents I didnt do that . And the parents will run to the first lawyer they see on tv . Yes it is a sad time bro . Yes it is !
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related links Posted by 714303 on November 12, 2008 at 12:10 p.m.

I just love to hear comments concerning police in the schools. If the "so-called student" will attack a police officer, he would attack other students, staff members or faculty.

Everyone who complains about a police presence should spent a day in the halls of any high school campus in this city. Threaten a teacher or a police officer and you should expect to be taken down.

This "so-called student" is lucky that his head was not caved-in.

Great job by the police officer...tase any out of control individulals on any CCISD campuses!
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related links Posted by 401151 on November 12, 2008 at 12:10 p.m.

"When the juvenile would not give the officer his name, the officer attempted to arrest the juvenile and the teen tried to strike the officer with a homemade weapon which consisted of black sweatband that had several 3 inch nails, and screws in it."

UHHHH YEAHHHH!!!! I'd taze the punk too if he tried to strike at me with something that had 3 inch nails in it!
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related links Posted by 262709 on November 12, 2008 at 12:12 p.m.

in response to 246926

Spoken like a true id10t

Sad Times Bro........Sad Times
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related links Posted by 714303 on November 12, 2008 at 12:12 p.m.

in response to 246926

Right and OJ did'nt do it...Your comment is lame!
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related links Posted by 244548 on November 12, 2008 at 12:13 p.m.

in response to 246926

Can you read? And why are police officers in schools...is that even a serious question? Have you ever heard of Columbine?
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related links Posted by 699260 on November 12, 2008 at 12:15 p.m.

in response to 246926

"Trained killers" is correct, you just have the shoe on the wrong foot...

Sweetie ;-)
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related links Posted by 251057 on November 12, 2008 at 12:16 p.m.

Poor kid was just trying to show the officer his art project...
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related links Posted by 714649 on November 12, 2008 at 12:17 p.m.

Trained killers? if that were true the cop should have just shot the kid. it likely would save the taxpayers lots of money down the road.
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related links Posted by 405145 on November 12, 2008 at 12:17 p.m.

in response to 246926

these are also not the kindly, avuncular kids of yesteryear.
the police officer was protecting himself and other students around him by using his taser. It seems to me the police officer showed professional restraint with his use of force.

the kid was wielding a weapon which could have caused serious damage. he was not being a "punky" kid as you say.

great job,
ccpd
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related links Posted by 248197 on November 12, 2008 at 12:27 p.m.

Kudos to the officer for doing what he had to do. I would have been tempted to just shoot the kid.
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related links Posted by 281562 on November 12, 2008 at 12:27 p.m.

In response to 246926, All CCISD schools have Police officer's on campus to help maintain order and protect the students and faculty from the likes of juvienille deliquents walking around with home made weapons, like sweat bands with nails and screws. As far as this particular school, it is a school were unruly kids go after they get suspended from their regular high school, in short a school for trouble makers. So having extra police officers there only makes sense. As far as the kids knowing why the officers are on site, it's because of them and they are well aware of it. This little thug thought he could cause some harm to an officer of the law with a home made weapon he had no buisness having in his possession. This kid should just be thankful he was only tazer and not shot in the head by a bullet for being such a dumb s@hit. That officer had every right to do what he did, to protect himself. As far as arresting him for not giving his name, well he should have gave his name, if he didn't want to get arrested. I can already tell you this punk wil graduate from this alternative school and go to "COLLEGE", or how they like to refer to it as Pen State (penitentiary) where he will graduate with honors, as a member of a prison gang. And you sound like a concerned parent of one of these students, so make sure you explain to them the consequenses of their action before they get tazered as well.
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related links Posted by 711805 on November 12, 2008 at 12:29 p.m.

Obviously, the cop was defending himself, and if warranted, could've used deadly force.

However....I still do not understand the following:
"When the juvenile would not give the officer his name, the officer attempted to arrest the juvenile..."

Love it!
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related links Posted by 713414 on November 12, 2008 at 12:29 p.m.

in response to 246926

The poor PD and ISD, they just can't seem to please anybody these days. -if there was no protection in the school and that "punky" kid assaulted another student or teacher you are probably the type of person that would be screaming "why isn't there someone protecting everyone from this punk?"
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related links Posted by 711805 on November 12, 2008 at 12:32 p.m.

Post # 281562...."As far as arresting him for not giving his name, well he should have gave his name, if he didn't want to get arrested."

And you have access to a computer?
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related links Posted by 321845 on November 12, 2008 at 12:32 p.m.

Yea, he's a punk allright! Send him down the road. These punky teenaged gang affiliated idiots these days are worthless and will in no way ever become a productive member of society without serious intervention, if even then. They'd prefer to hang with their gang and involve themselves with criminal mischief around town trying to look tough. I say have a judge appoint him to the marines for some wake up medicine.
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related links Posted by 284374 on November 12, 2008 at 12:38 p.m.

I wish they would have recorded it, that way when he goes to jail and starts bragging to his fiends "i got tazered but that wasnt s@@t, then people can look it upon you tube and seem rolling around like a little b---.
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related links Posted by 459172 on November 12, 2008 at 12:42 p.m.

in response to 711805

At alternative campuses, the administrators must keep a tight reign. These students have already been expelled from the traditional campuses, so the rules are much stricter and with harsher consequences. Also, the officers can't be expected to remember the names of every student on campus (students at these campuses come and go). So his asking for the student's name is probably standard procedure. And, having been at CCISD campuses, I know what the typical response from one of these students would be: anything ranging from "NOYB" to "go to h**ll" or "WTF do you want to know for?"
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related links Posted by 711805 on November 12, 2008 at 12:46 p.m.

459172 ....good point
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related links Posted by 418086 on November 12, 2008 at 12:48 p.m.

Why is it so funny that the article says "When the juvenile would not give the officer his name, the officer attempted to arrest the juvenile..." Its against the law to not give a police officer your name its called failure to id so again whats so funny such as post 711805 Whats there to love? That he was doing his job?
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related links Posted by 241339 on November 12, 2008 at 12:51 p.m.

Great job by the CCPD Officer. This thug had the 3 inch nails and screws in that sweatband because he was already planning on using it on someone. His 1st mistake was being disruptive in the hallway. 2nd not giving the Officer his name for the citation he was about to recieve. 3rd taking a swing on a Officer with a homemade weapon. 3 strikes, we're out. Hope he enjoyed the shock of his life.
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related links Posted by 340633 on November 12, 2008 at 12:51 p.m.

way to go officer i would have tazed him a couple more time for good measure lol. Trying to act all bad not giving the cop his name what did he think was going to happen. Just another future productive member of society getting to know our local law enforcement in his early years lol
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related links Posted by 277445 on November 12, 2008 at 12:54 p.m.

Good job CCPD... Kids like that will end up being involved somehow in our next drive by shooting anyway... yep, sad times alright...
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related links Posted by 233778 on November 12, 2008 at 1:18 p.m.

WHat happened to a paddle?
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related links Posted by 251548 on November 12, 2008 at 1:21 p.m.

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I agree!!!!
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related links Posted by 714544 on November 12, 2008 at 1:26 p.m.

good, tazzerd his a..., for trying to hit him with some sort of prison weapon....sounds like that kid bettter get used to eating grill chesse sandwiches and watching american me
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related links Posted by 463910 on November 12, 2008 at 1:26 p.m.

I have seen a police officer at my daughters school but he was in uniform, do they usually work at the school in their own clothing? article states off duty officer? was he employed by this school? Do off duty police officers usually carry their pistols and stun guns? Just trying to figure out why the kid would do this, unless he did not know this guy was an officer. P.O. with their tats and attitude out of their uniform you might confuse them with a thug.
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related links Posted by 424782 on November 12, 2008 at 1:26 p.m.

I guess he'll get an opportunity to visit newly-appointed Judge Terry Shamsie's courtroom. Here you go, Terry. Show us how compassionate and firm you can be. Please don't send this little punk home with a little slap on the wrist.

Good job officer. One less roaming the halls and streets looking for the next victim.
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related links Posted by 715477 on November 12, 2008 at 1:36 p.m.

wouldnt it be safer to have metal detectors in the school instead of having a loose cop in the halls tasing kids that dont want to talk to him.
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related links Posted by 244726 on November 12, 2008 at 1:41 p.m.

Any person , whether it be a man,woman,or in this case punk kid....thinks they can dismiss a police officer after being asked what their name is, deserves whatever comes their way. The officers intuiton was right, punk had a weapon and tried to use it on an officer. At least we're not reading today another kid kills or stabs another student in school.....wake up people
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related links Posted by 239536 on November 12, 2008 at 1:43 p.m.

in response to 463910

Good point. Did he identify himself as an officer? My daughter once told me that an officer at her school started picking on a student just to get on the guys nerves and then when that boy became agitated he threw him on the floor and arrested him for what I am not sure but again per my daughter this young guy was a good kid? Anyways regardless the kid having a weapon was uncalled for and yes he should be punished.
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related links Posted by 715477 on November 12, 2008 at 1:45 p.m.

Tasing a kid for not saying what his name is does not give a Crazy Cop the right to tase him.
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related links Posted by 707118 on November 12, 2008 at 1:45 p.m.

I know that I or my fellow students would have not allowed anything like this go this far and that was in the late eighties. Shows the lack of respect this kids have nowadays. I'm not trying to say that his fellow classmates should have beaten the dogturd out of him , but i would have.
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related links Posted by 699873 on November 12, 2008 at 1:48 p.m.

ban all teenagers from the city.
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related links Posted by 715477 on November 12, 2008 at 1:48 p.m.

There seems to be alot of hostile adults talking about beating the kid, or shooting the kid, or way to go Crazy Taser Happy Cop, I hope you people are not raising or breeding any children like yourselves.
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related links Posted by 274667 on November 12, 2008 at 1:53 p.m.

FEAR NOT...Ye of little faith...
OBAMA will straighten all this out with his public service plan for all middle and senior high students!!!
You wait and see...
They'll learn by golly!!!
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related links Posted by 711534 on November 12, 2008 at 1:56 p.m.

Ok so the student had a weapon at school and will not be allowed to use it.... but I find it rather disturbing to think that a US Citizen can be arrested for refusing to identify one's self. When did that become a law?
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related links Posted by 715477 on November 12, 2008 at 1:57 p.m.

Obama Rocks!
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related links Posted by 459903 on November 12, 2008 at 1:58 p.m.

in response to 463910

Off duty does not mean plain clothes. If he was working the school he was in uniform. Off duty means not on city time.
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related links Posted by 714663 on November 12, 2008 at 1:58 p.m.

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CCPD policy states one can't work off duty anywhere if not in uniform. The only exception I believe is if the officer works security at an apartment complex where he or she resides and of course if working undercover.
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related links Posted by 459903 on November 12, 2008 at 1:59 p.m.

in response to 707118

If you believe that "story" from your daughter you are a moron. Get over yourselves people................
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related links Posted by 243871 on November 12, 2008 at 2 p.m.

no one knows what happened there so don't start accusing people. my grandson was thrown around by a cop at school and the principle had to correct the cop so it isn't always the kids fault. Unless you are there you don't know what happened. These cops are a little to happy with the taser guns
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related links Posted by 715477 on November 12, 2008 at 2:01 p.m.

I Agree with 711534, a kid WAS ATTACKED for not saying his NAME! I feel bad for that cop that attacked him with a taser, maybe that's why he's patrolling the school halls and not city streets because he's not good at being a police office.
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related links Posted by 387004 on November 12, 2008 at 2:03 p.m.

LOVE IT!!!! HAHA Little punk got what he deserved, maybe next time he won't act like such a turd!!! I bet you no other kids are going to give the cop any problems for the rest of the year there. OHHHH the PARENTS will now decide to be PARENTS and actually Care what their son's activities are. Hell zap the parents too, maybe that way they will will finally have something in common with their THUG son to talk about since they never taught him manners.
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related links Posted by 274667 on November 12, 2008 at 2:06 p.m.

June 22, 2004

The Supreme Court upheld a state law that makes it a crime to refuse to tell the police one's name when stopped for suspicious behavior, a ruling that strengthens the ability of law enforcement officers to detain citizens even where they lack enough evidence for a full arrest.

SO THERE!!!
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related links Posted by 711736 on November 12, 2008 at 2:11 p.m.

in response to 699873

LMAO
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related links Posted by 715477 on November 12, 2008 at 2:11 p.m.

What dont you people understand, A Kid was Attacked!!! If I were his parents I would make sure that Crazy Taser Cop went to Jail!!
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related links Posted by 460787 on November 12, 2008 at 2:25 p.m.

in response to 274667

It's only a crime for a person to refuse to identify himself if he has been lawfully arrested.

SO THERE
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related links Posted by 460787 on November 12, 2008 at 2:31 p.m.

Of course, in this case the officer could arrest the punk for trespassing on school grounds- after such lawful arrest it would be a crime for him not to identify himself.
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related links Posted by 239536 on November 12, 2008 at 2:36 p.m.

in response to 459903

Actually you responded to the wrong poster but I will respond to your remark. First how can you call me a moron when you dont even know me? Second of all I do believe my daughter because she has never given me any reason not to believe her. I am not saying that it was right what this kid did because it was very wrong but in some cases the kid is not always at fault.
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related links Posted by 459903 on November 12, 2008 at 2:44 p.m.

in response to 243871

EXACTLY........Unless your there then shut up
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related links Posted by 459903 on November 12, 2008 at 2:46 p.m.

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Your moronic response thats why...................
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related links Posted by 239536 on November 12, 2008 at 2:50 p.m.

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LOL you sound like a kid yourself :)
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related links Posted by 715477 on November 12, 2008 at 2:52 p.m.

That's it, im staying in Chicago, there's too much violence in Texas, people buying guns like its going out of style you should worry about texa's best in your kids schools tasing them instead of who said what.
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related links Posted by 431882 on November 12, 2008 at 3:06 p.m.

I've heard from teachers who, when trying to question or correct a kid in the hallway or at achool, will have the student just walk away and not even address the teacher.

They think that by ignoring authority, they can simply walk away from impending discipline.

Could you imagine what kind of damage he could have done to another student with a weapon like that?
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related links Posted by 366573 on November 12, 2008 at 3:07 p.m.

Charter School. That says it all. I can't say I've heard anything productive about them. Look how many are under investigation for falsifying enrollment, embezzlement, misuse of funds, etc. If the administrations are run that way, why would the curriculum lead students to a better path?
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related links Posted by 715477 on November 12, 2008 at 3:14 p.m.

The Bottom Line is that a (KID) was Attacked in School by a Police Officer, just because some fool has a badge does not give him the right to tase a KID. The cop should be tased too to see how it feels, imagine a kid!
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related links Posted by 301586 on November 12, 2008 at 3:22 p.m.

They have the worst kids their. He needs to protect those kids, staff and himself. What the heck would a kid have a weapon like that for? Someone would have been hurt or killed....Thank you..
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related links Posted by 715477 on November 12, 2008 at 3:36 p.m.

But the Fact is that the only person that was hurt (ATTACKED) was the kid!!!
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related links Posted by 708109 on November 12, 2008 at 3:47 p.m.

Bottom line is the juvenile had a WEAPON. Your missing the picture.
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related links Posted by 715477 on November 12, 2008 at 4:01 p.m.

But he was still attacked and the "weapon" was the taser the cop used. If there are so many people glad to know this kid got tased, why are so many of you, "Record Numbers" buying semi automatics? you should be more scared of you neighbors than a kid that doesnt want to give his name. Grow Up Texas!
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related links Posted by 235785 on November 12, 2008 at 4:07 p.m.

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Oh please 463910 ! The kid didnt know he was a cop ! How many adults do you know that just hang out at high school halls ? Of course the punk new he was a cop . And hello the school year is half way over . Its not this cops first day on the job at the school . Quite trying to protect these future @#$4*%*(*( ^U& !
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related links Posted by 235785 on November 12, 2008 at 4:09 p.m.

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Your a fool ! And that is the bottom line
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related links Posted by 235785 on November 12, 2008 at 4:14 p.m.

in response to 715477

Please stay in Chicago ! We gun loving Texans really dont need you here anyway . And the only reason were buying guns like its going out of style is becouse of the president you elected . See we know that he is going to start banning guns as soon as he has a chance . Better get yours too
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related links Posted by 715477 on November 12, 2008 at 4:19 p.m.

Who needs a semi automatic to hunt, Texas must have some scary deer if you need something like that, just use your Tasers, they work on Kids!! oh my BAD, the schools are already using them.
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related links Posted by 235785 on November 12, 2008 at 4:50 p.m.

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You poor ignorant person a semi automatic weapon is not just for deer hunting . I spent most of my youth shooting targets with my semi auto 22 . You cannot just say the gun is useless just becouse it is semi auto . Let me guess , hmm are you from california ? Becouse it sure sounds like it with your crazy talk
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related links Posted by 244726 on November 12, 2008 at 7:11 p.m.

Yes the kid did get tased and I would agree that doesn't look good on the officer, but WHY WAS HE TASED? Because the kid tried to use a conciled weapon on a POLICE officer, is that so hard to understand? There's a reason that this kid goes to this school and its not because he's too smart for CCISD!!!!!!!
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related links Posted by 375911 on November 12, 2008 at 7:21 p.m.

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This charming little child pulled a homemade prison shank on the officer. He is lucky that he was not shot dead!
Thats the whole story, no matter what you hand wringers have to say about it.
So now, he will live to commit even more crimes, I'll bet anyone lunch, that this "child" has a record already, and if you chart his future it is full of additional crime and ultimately an early death.
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related links Posted by 375911 on November 12, 2008 at 7:25 p.m.

Way to go CCPD!!!!!!!!!!!

Turn up the heat and lets take this city back from the scum and gangs!
The tipping point is now!
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related links Posted by 711805 on November 12, 2008 at 7:47 p.m.

The kid pulled the shank in self defense. He felt threatened by a man who demanded to speak to him, invaded his personal space, and was grabbing him (assaulting him). We later find out it was an officer trying to arrest the kid, but that was never disclosed during the ensuing scuffle. The kid did not know.
In addition, doesn't the kid have the right to have a weapon? I mean, if I can buy truck loads of semi-auto weapons in TX, I guess its ok for this kid to have a homemade weapon, right?
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related links Posted by 702420 on November 12, 2008 at 7:56 p.m.

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You're kidding, right? Too much violence in Texas?!? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you guys up in Chicago just have a high profile murder of 3 people???? Yes, you are right, people here are buying guns...for self defense against punks and thieves and killers,like the ones in your beloved Chicago.
BTW, please, please, please use spell check. Texas is spelled
T E X A S, not texa's. For that mistake, we don't want you back here, just stay up North.
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related links Posted by 702420 on November 12, 2008 at 7:58 p.m.

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Just so you know, to carry and use a taser, all police officers are required to be tasered themselves. Please get informed before you comment.
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related links Posted by 613882 on November 12, 2008 at 8:02 p.m.

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dear Clueless....

Even though you can buy truckloads of weapons, you cant carry them on school grounds, even if you're a delinquent 17 year old punk. This is the "prison" school within the district, this punk knew the deal when he took that homemade wristband to school.

He's just lucky a LEO confronted him and the punk didn't come across a CHL holder and get capped.
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related links Posted by 702420 on November 12, 2008 at 8:05 p.m.

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LMAO!!! Do you work for the ACLU or is there some deep rooted anger/resentment because you got your a$$ tasered because you felt your rights were violated because you couldn't carry your shank to school? Better yet, you're probably mad because your punk a$$ kid was put in place for acting unruly and disrespecting others. Just be glad you live in Chicago and not here, otherwise, you'd be next in getting some voltage with your liberal/kooky way of thinking.
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related links Posted by 244726 on November 12, 2008 at 8:11 p.m.

"kid pulled a shank in self defense"...." invaded his personal space"WOW! Your talking like the kid is in prison defending himself dude. On your point about doesn't he have the right to have a weapon....once again HE'S IN SCHOOL, not at home or in prison,YET! Do you take your semi-autos to work? wake up man!
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related links Posted by 707269 on November 12, 2008 at 11:01 p.m.

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The officers are off duty but yes in uniform and yes with their weapons. The kid knew what he was doing. He was tryin to be "hard" in front of his friends which SHOULD tell u right there why the officers are in the schools in the first place. These kids arent playing anymore they are really trying to do some serious harm. And who are you to comment on the way the OFF duty officers look?

Wednesday, November 12, 2008

Attn: Cesar Chavez Charter Academy Needs Your Attention

A student () at Cesar Chavez Academy was tased by a CCPD moonlighter yesterday 11/11/2008. The use of tasers are in lieu of deadly force and as numerous witnesses state there was no reason for the assault. The Principal Tracy Saenz was off campus when the incident occurred and proceeded to defend the officer as if she were to have witnessed the event. She attempted to discredit the student with exaggerated untruths and when the student learned of the negative remarks made by the Principal tears came to his eyes. He believed that she believed in him. It is requested an impromptu inspection be conducted without forewarning. Incompetence will reveal itself even before the school day begins as there are numerous groups of students and non students on campus without supervision it appears very trashy and in violation of education policy.